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Jim Shockey Shooting Hogs With An Air Rifle – Benjamin Rogue .357

February 3, 2012

I have a feeling we’re going to start hearing more and more about air rifle hunting… not only the hunting stories, but discussions about the ethics of using these “low-powered” rifles to kill game animals.  It’s an area of firearms and hunting in which I’m only slightly immersed, but it is an area that holds a lot of interest to me.  Hunting is the primary purpose for my Marauder (even though it hasn’t really had a chance yet).

Anyway, Jim Shockey is really on the forefront of celebrity hunters who are embracing the airgun technology.  He’s become a regular spokesman for Crosman and Benjamin airguns, and he’s on video now hunting everything from grouse and rabbits to wild hogs.

Yes.  Wild hogs.  With an airgun.

Of course these aren’t ordinary airguns.  Lately, he’s been doing a lot of hunts with the Benjamin Rogue, .357.  I had the opportunity to shoot the prototype of this rifle last year, and they’ve done a lot of work to get it into production.  It’s an incredibly accurate gun, and delivers some pretty significant impact on target.  With the Nosler hunting bullets, I have no doubt this is plenty of gun for stuff like coyotes and bobcats.  Hogs, though, are a different question.  Shockey answers the question, though, in a series of videos on YouTube,including the one below.  A well-placed shot at close range is definitely enough to bring down a pig.

But is it a good idea?  What do you guys think?

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40 Responses to “Jim Shockey Shooting Hogs With An Air Rifle – Benjamin Rogue .357”

  1. J.R. Young on February 3rd, 2012 13:13

    I guess I should be getting one sooner rather than later before I have to buy the “Jim Shockey” signature edition and pay an extra $50.

    As for the ethics, I would hope that hunters would only take ethical shots with whatever weapon they are using. Here it was clear that JS was in a good position (if not having a slightly obscured shot) and made a good kill. I’ve also seen a cow elk dropped in a similar fashion at 900 yards with a 105gr Berger out of a .243. The key is, can a well placed shot be made, if so I think then it is okay….however being involved in hunting all my life surely there will be some Adam Henrys out there that make bad shot choices and post it to YouTube.

  2. Ian on February 4th, 2012 00:43

    I learned about these guns from you, Phillip, and am really interested because I recently took a friend out hunting who suffers from Tinnitus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinnitus) which is a side effect of working with power tools for many years. Basically he’s super sensitive to loud sounds. The sound of my 30.06 firing was more than he could bear, and he had his custom earplugs in AND the best earmuffs you can get — the kind the dudes wear on the tarmac at airports. He has been stoked to get into hunting, but the sound of rifle-fire had him convinced he could really ever only bow-hunt. This gun seems pretty darn quiet. Excited to share it with him. Thanks for the post.

  3. Jason Gardner on February 4th, 2012 10:53

    Hunting big game with an air rifle is a bad idea. Pigs survive shots from real rifles with muzzle velocities in excess of 2400 fps. Going after pigs with something like a .357 going 800 fps is a recipe for a gross of wounded and maimed animals. Yeah I would love to tell you that I hit every hog I have shot right behind the ear, but it’s not a high percentage shot. I prefer, like the vast majority of hunters, to go for the eight inch kill zone around the heart and lungs. That doesn’t work out about 10% of the time with my .270.
    No it is not comparable with bow hunting, that 357 projectile is not as lethal as a razor sharp broad head.
    I noticed that video looked like it was shot in South Texas. On most ranches down there you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting five pigs. Especially when you have baited with a little corn. A fella could probably make videos dropping pigs with a spear, a boomerang, or even a long boring dissertation on feeding habits of the delta smelt.
    I bet every poacher this side of the Mississippi will be lined up to purchase this rifle. It’s a dream come true for them. I know I am generalizing, but usually poachers don’t care how many animals they maim as long as they don’t get caught.
    There is no gray area here, hunting pigs with this an air rifle is irresponsible.

  4. The Suburban Bushwhacker on February 7th, 2012 02:16

    P

    As you know I’m a big fan of air rifle hunting, but I’ve got to agree with Jason, just because I can doesn’t mean I should. I’ve seen .177’s bounce off pigeons and I’ve had em drop them stone dead. I thought your view point on stick bow vs compound was the ethical high ground, so while I’d love to have one, and there are huntable species, I think I’d use a powder-burner for the hogs.

    SBW

  5. The Suburban Bushwhacker on February 7th, 2012 02:17

    PS

    800 fps wouldn’t even be legal for little itty bitty Muntjac here
    SBW

  6. Phillip on February 8th, 2012 07:12

    I’ve held off on chiming in, as I didn’t want to quash anyone’s opinions or feedback here. But it looks like, for now, the conversation has moved to other pastures.

    First of all, let me say that in my personal experience, I’m not sure I’d be behind a general use of the smaller air rifles for wild hogs. The problem, in my mind, is that a lot of hunters simply won’t have the self-control to hold out for the perfect shot, or to hold off on a shot at a pig that’s simply too big. Also, many don’t have the marksmanship skills to make the perfect shot, even if they do hold out. This isn’t a knock on “other hunters” so much as it’s a direct reflection of my experience with folks who don’t spend the quality time with their weapons that professionals like Shockey do.

    When Gamo came out with their PBA (heavier-than-lead) pellets, they were advertising with a video clip of a hunter killing hogs with the .177. I raised Cain about that one then, and still think it was an irresponsible way to advertise their product. I actually took one of the Gamo reps to task over it at the SHOT Show, but he defended the clip as one might expect. “Well,” he argued. “It sure killed that pig.”

    It did kill the pig. With absolutely perfect shot placement at about 10 yards. But I asked the question that went unanswered… how many imperfect shots went into making that one, perfect clip?

    I think guns like the Marauder .25 and the Rogue .357 do offer something for certain hog hunters under certain conditions. Close-range depredation in populated areas comes to mind. This sort of work is already being done by many people with .22LR, and even .22CB rounds. But in a lot of areas, the discharge of firearms is strictly prohibited. Archery and crossbows could be used, but these generally require tracking, and you don’t want to be recovering your hog from under the neighbor kids’ swingset. A good, powerful air rifle offers a good option.

    But overall, airgun hunting is definitely taking off, and rightfully so. There are several big-bore air rifles on the market now that are perfectly capable of taking down hogs, and even bison. They generate energy similar to that of a muzzleloader, with the same diameter projectiles.

    As far as the “poachers will love it” argument, I’m sorry, but that’s hogwash. We’ve heard the same thing about everything from archery to crossbows to suppressors and it’s simply not true. Can poachers use this? Sure. Will they? I have no doubt some will try it. But that’s because they’re poachers… they don’t much care about the law in the first place. It doesn’t matter to them if hunting with air rifles is legalized. But if they’re interested in actually killing animals, whether for trophies or for meat, they’re more likely to stick with the tried and true methods, such as the .22WMR with a Coke bottle silencer, the AK clone, or a .223. And plenty of poachers will continue to use their regular hunting rifles, because the truth is, even if someone reports gunshots at night, the odds of being caught are extremely slim.

    Personally speaking… would I shoot hogs with my Marauder, or with the Rogue? I did consider the Rogue for some depredation work at one point, but it’s still verboten in CA to shoot them with an airgun. I’m completely confident that it would work very well at close range on the 50 to 90 pound animals, but I’d probably pass on shots on a big boar, or a really big sow.

    Would I use it for sport hunting? I don’t think so, even though I’d be tempted to give it a try on little pigs. I’ve seen what the .25 Marauder can do out to 100 yards, and it’s impressive for an airgun. But it’s still not much more than a .22LR, and I wouldn’t use a .22 for hogs either.

    Stay tuned, though, as more developments come down the pike.

  7. Phillip on February 8th, 2012 07:17

    Ian, if your friend is in CA and wants to hunt hogs or deer, he’ll need to find something else… maybe a crossbow would be a good choice. At this time, air rifles are not legal for big game hunting in California. As far as I know, Missouri is the only state that currently allows airguns for big game hunting. In Texas, hogs and feral exotics can be killed with any weapon (yes, James, even a boomerang).

    For small game and certain upland birds, a .20 cal or larger air rifle is a legal means of take. And of course, for vermin you can pretty much use anything that is legal to discharge in your area (some municipalities consider airguns “firearms” for the purpose of regulating their discharge).

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  9. Michael C on May 15th, 2012 10:42

    I am fascinated by this air rifle, however here are some things to consider:

    For those of you who already know this, my apologies.

    John Taylor (of African Rifles & Cartridges) developed a “Knock Down” value between 1 – 150. This arbitrary value could give an indication how a given caliber would “knock down” dangerous game.

    The equation is: KDV = (bullet diameter(thou) * velocity (fps) * bullet weight (grains)) / 7000

    So for example, a 30-06 with 2900 fps, 180gr, and .30 cal gives us 22.

    Try this equation with any caliber.

    The same equation applied to the Benjamin is 6. Quite a difference? Now I bow before Jim Shockey – he’s an outstanding hunter, shot and sportsman. I am not, and for people like me, we might need stronger medicine than an airgun to drop hogs.

    I hope I have not been pedantic.

    Thank you.

  10. Phillip on May 15th, 2012 12:06

    Great points, Mike, and glad to read them. I think your argument is quite sound (and not pedantic at all), and I generally agree with it. While I do think these high-powered air rifles are capable hunting weapons, I also think they have some limitations that put them out of the realm of the “everyday hunter” without some serious consideration.

    As much as I hate the old saw, “It’s all about shot placement,” I have to agree that when it comes to shooting low-powered weapons there’s no substitute for putting the pill where it matters… every single time. If you can’t do that, you have no business hunting with an air gun.

    On the other hand, some of these guns offer a level of accuracy that’s simply uncanny. My Marauder .25, at 40 yards, will completely remove the 10 ring on a standard NRA small-bore rifle target with one eight-shot magazine (when I’m on my game). I consistently pull off head shots on eurasian collared doves out to that same distance, if I have a chance to take a good rest. At 85 yards (the longest shot I’ve tried so far), I can hit a soda can with it every time. The only other gun I have that shoots like that is my .17hmr. The point is, the requisite accuracy is there for the hunter who will take the time to practice and dial it in… and who can respect the limitations of range with the restraint to abort a shot rather than risk a low-percentage opportunity. Hence, Jim Shockey’s ability to use that Rogue to such great effect.

    With that all in mind, I still have doubts about using the Marauder as a general pig gun, although I have no doubt it will perform well on the smaller ones at close range (e.g. under the feeder from a tree stand). From some of my recent experience with the gun, I’d hesitate to attempt anything short of a clean head shot on bigger game.

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  12. Sean on July 21st, 2012 10:10

    Well, I must have been hiding under a rock because I just found out these higher powered air rifles but I do agree with most that hunting pigs with these guns should not be attempted by amateur hunters! If you can get within ten yards of any pig then use a bow or a real firearm on the animal. Why take the chance of ticking off the pig & it trys to inflict harm to you! But, there will always be people who will push the envelop out there.

  13. Dave on August 26th, 2012 17:50

    No, large bore airguns are not for everyone, course neither are recurves or longbows etc. But in the hands of an ethical, skilled hunter these guns can easily do the job in urban type enviornments, which is exactly what it was designed for.

  14. Rick on September 13th, 2012 12:25

    From a ballistics standpoint. Would you shoot a hog with a .38 spl (standard pressure) out of an 8″ revolver or even a Model 94 type lever gun? Would a subsonic load be that much louder? How about a 9mm carbine? The energy is the same.

    I like the idea of high powered air rifles. I’m just playing devil’s advocate.

    Is it ethical remains in the judgement of the shooter. For years I deer hunted with a 6″ S&W 686. I never killed anything. I never took a shot. Opportunity for an ethical shot never presented itself.

    At age 7 I dropped a doe at 40yds in the ear with a 9422 33gr Yellow Jacket. My dad knew I could make the shot. Was that ethical?

    There is a lot of grey with hunting ethics. I like the high powered air rifle concept, but I have an opinion. (oh boy here it comes).

    Be sure to practice a whole lot with any weapon you hunt with. BUT…always do the right thing.

  15. Phillip on September 13th, 2012 20:52

    At the core of everything you’re saying, I couldn’t agree more.

    I think there are limits between what is possible and what is ethical. I still have too much to learn about air rifles to make any overarching condemnation or recommendation beyond the gut feeling I’ve already written about.

  16. kenholmz on November 22nd, 2012 11:53

    This has been a very interesting read. I agree with all that caution should be taken regarding the hunter’s tools and the individual hunters. I, no doubt, have less in-the-field experience than any of you. Please accept this posting as my thoughts and not me telling anyone they are wrong.

    I appreciate that Michael C offered a calculation for “knock down value”. I am more familiar with Foot Pounds of Energy without respect to the bullet diameter. The following link is to part 5 of a report on the Benjamin Rogue. It is easy to click to any of the first four parts from here. Part 4 includes ballistic information on various weights of bullets.
    http://airgun-academy.pyramydair.com/blog/2012/11/benjamin-rogue-epcp-part-5/
    Tom Gaylord has extensive experience with firearms and airguns and his testing and reports are among the best we will likely find.

    Jim Chapman, at http://www.americanairgunhunter.com has written a lot. One article I am unable to find at the moment is about the deer he lost. He ended this article stating that hunting with a large caliber airgun would best be approached in the same manner as hunting with a bow. I take him very seriously on this point. The Benjamin Rogue is not 30-06, to be sure, but it has its place when used appropriately.

    Not long ago someone told me that, a few years ago, he and a friend started deliberately shooting deer such that they would have to track them. It hurt to hear of anyone deliberately seeking a non-lethal hit on any animal. I have also read of hunters taking fantastically long shots at deer and wounding many they never found. I appreciate that all of you are concerned with ethical hunting. I believe, if you take the time to research airgun hunting, you will arrive at a reasoned conclusion about what is and isn’t ethical when using one.

    ~Ken Holmes

  17. kenholmz on November 22nd, 2012 12:05

    Phillip, I don’t see the date you made the move, but welcome to Texas. Pay no attention to that minority that want to turn the state into a 4th world country. ~Ken

  18. kenholmz on November 22nd, 2012 12:39

    Michael C, here is a bullet kinetic energy calculator that offers something similar to what you posted (at least it seems similar).
    http://www.firearmexpertwitness.com/customguns/calcnrg.html

    Without concern for bullet caliber the calculator posts FPE and what they call the Power Factor.

    Using you sample, entering 180 for the weight in grains and 2900 for the FPS yields FPE of 3360.63 and a Power Factor of 522.

    Using a sample provided by Tom Gaylord, entering 158 for the weight in grains and 711 for the FPS yields FPE of 177.31 and a Power Factor of 112.33.

    There is no question that the Rogue is less powerful than the 30-06, but does this tell the whole story? My belief is that the 30-06 has power to spare, a lot of it.

    My question is, at what range and under what conditions might the Rogue be used in an ethical manner to take a hog (and as mentioned by posters here, what weight of hog).

    Is there a way we can determine this to a good degree before taking a shot at a hog?

    The Rogue does shoot bullets, not pellets, and this does make a difference. The diabolo pellet shape will lose kenetic energy faster than a bullet. This is a marked difference between the Rogue and even a Marauder in .25 caliber.

    Thank you for allowing me to be part of this discussion. I appreciate it.

    ~Ken

  19. kenholmz on November 22nd, 2012 13:07

    This is the last one for now (I promise). I have found the article by Jim Chapman in which he write, “I was pretty broken up, In 30 years of hunting this was the first and only deer I’d ever lost. Not to mention the biggest deer I ever shot, and maybe the biggest I would ever shoot. I didn’t feel like eating or hunting, so decided to go back to our digs and reflect.” It was this experience that persuaded him to airgun hunting as he would bow hunting.

    Interestingly, the article I found that linked to Jim Chapman’s article is on by Jim Shockey, in which he states, “head shots are the key to airgun hunting success”. Now that calls for an airgun that is sufficiently powerful and accurate, and a shooter who is equal to the task. Frankly, I am not, not past about 20 yards anyway.

    ~Ken

    ~Ken

  20. kenholmz on November 22nd, 2012 13:11

    My apologies, I forgot to post the links.

    For the Jim Chapman article:
    http://www.americanairgunhunter.com/deertracks.html

    For the Jim Shockey article:
    http://www.crosman.com/croswords/?p=2010

    Happy Thanksgiving,
    ~Ken

  21. Phillip on November 22nd, 2012 22:07

    Thanks for the input, Ken. Lots of good info there.

    As far as airguns for hogs, I’m personally on hold with that one. While I’m certain that the .25cal Marauder, and certainly the Rogue, can do the job under the right conditions… the “right” conditions are a little hard to arrange for the average hunter. Unless there’s a pressing reason to go with air, I’d advise most folks to stick with gunpowder or archery tackle.

  22. kenholmz on November 23rd, 2012 11:11

    Phillip, thank you for responding. I will assume I am part of “most folks” until I know for sure I am not (or until I have that pressing reason). Happy Thanksgiving, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours. ~Ken

  23. Rodney farrington on January 13th, 2013 00:30

    I would like to explain my displeases with my Benjamin 22 cal air gun ,I purchased it app. One year ago from a local sporting good store in my area, in the past I have had several Benjamin air gun that have been durable and safe, but this new gun is proven to be very unsafe for my grandson and myself. The safety problem, is that you can not leave the gun cocked and loaded for any period of time, because after pulling the trigger, the gun has a long pause before firing , it will be long enough that the hunter will pull off his objective,and without your finger on the trigger the gun will fire. My biggest worry is that my grandson r one of his friends my be using it and may pull off his target without the gun discharging and accidentally point toward another person, and the gun discharges by it self. There is a problem with the gun, and needs addressed . Thank you Rodney Farrington, unhappy customer.

  24. Phillip on January 13th, 2013 08:44

    Rodney, I’m not a Benjamin representative, and have no affiliation with the company other than my use of their air rifle.

    I’d suggest contacting the good folks at Benjamin (Crosman) to register your complaint and see if they can provide a solution. That does sound like a dangerous problem, and I bet the support team will be able and willing to help you fix it. Go to the website at: http://www.crosman.com/cs/contact, or you can call them at 1 800 724-7486.

  25. Allen Miller on January 22nd, 2013 00:12

    I’m a big game hunter and have been for years (B&C Elk deer). I’m really liking these air rifles. I realize this is a preference question, what is the consensus for an air rifle with a tank. I want to shot gofers, coyote what make do like and what caliber .17 or 22. I Los want it for just plinking. Maybe for the zombies?

  26. Phillip on January 22nd, 2013 07:21

    Hi, Allen.

    The air rifles with tanks, aka PCP (Pre-Charged Pneumatic) are great guns. They’re powerful, accurate, and reliable… not to mention easy to shoot. If you’re shooting close to home, or close to the vehicle, they’re awesome for varmint shooting and plinking. However, once you leave the vehicle you’ll want to consider how to recharge the tank. If your hunting only requires one or two shots,that’s no problem. However, if you’ll be shooting a lot, then you will have to carry your refill tank, or a hand pump. That can be a limiting factor.

    For gophers and ground squirrels, the .177 is a great caliber. It’s easy and inexpensive to find ammo, it’s accurate, and it has plenty of oomph for those smaller animals at reasonable distances. For longer shots, it might be worthwhile to step up to a .22. Coyotes, on the other hand, require a little more killing. The .22 is really light, except for really close-range shooting. The .25, like my Marauder, would probably be a little more suitable, although I would be real picky about range and shot placement. And then there’s the .357 Rogue, which should be fine for coyotes or Zombies.

    If you’re really interested in learning more about the air rifles, I’d recommend heading over to the Varminter.com site and check out the Airgun Forums. Eric and those guys really are experts, and they can offer tons of great advice, information, and tips.

  27. Allen Miller on January 22nd, 2013 19:30

    Hi Phillip,
    First thank you for your quick and great response. I shoot gophers with a 22 now and its great. I like this migration over to the air gun. You bring up a great point and thats the difference between pcp and pump. In hunting varmints most the time its walking so lugging a tank around seems impractical now. i hadn’t thought about it, until you brought it up. So Im not sure if I’m comfortable, taking a air-gun on big game, i do use a bow, and obviously a gun and I have tracked when the shot was not good. I want the fair chase, hunt. I stumbled on this blog after the shot show and I am just enjoying very much. So I will take your advice and check out the varmints blog….thanks again
    Allen

  28. Phillip on January 22nd, 2013 23:54

    Hi, Allen. Glad you got some value out of my info.

    As far as the PCP guns, the tank is definitely a consideration if you’re spending a lot of time walking. A break-action (“Springer”) is much more practical and portable for that sort of thing. Airguns for big game are definitely a different story, and something I think requires a lot of consideration. I won’t say it’s out of the question, but there’s a big difference between using a centerfire, or even a bow. It requires a lot of discipline and skill.

    I hope you hang around, and find more good info here in the future.

  29. Rob on March 13th, 2013 20:51

    The new airguns have come a long way in recent years, but they still have their limits, as do any other hunting weapon. Until each hunter learns his/her own limitations, they should not be hunting live animals…stay on the practice field. A simple rule of thumb; at whatever distance you can consistently hit a golf ball, that should be your max hunting range with that weapon.
    Being ethical is everything in the field. Respecting the game animal also. If you want to be a long range sniper, stay with top quality firearms. If you are a real hunter, then hunt like the archer; use stealth, cunning, and outsmart the game animal in his own backyard.
    An air rifle should be used with the same caution and skill of an archer; if you’re not sure of the shot, don’t take it. Be a ‘professional’ when you are afield. Outdoor writers are not necessarily ‘pros’ at hunting; they just get more practice than the average working Joe.
    As to ‘delivered energy’, shot placement is everything. WDM “Karamojo” Bell, used a 7×57 mauser and a 303 brit to kill a few hundred elephants…hardly the big bore cannons so highly advertised today, and used by the great white hunters as seen on the silver screen.
    PO Ackley developed the 228 Ackley and it was tested all around the world on all different size animals. One shot, one kill, every time…shot placement. Doesn’t matter the size of the cannon; a miss is still a miss.
    Didn’t mean to be so long winded, but much needed to be spoken here.
    Rob

  30. aaron on June 6th, 2013 16:17

    what gun do you use

  31. aaron on June 6th, 2013 16:17

    what gun do you use

  32. Phillip on June 10th, 2013 11:45

    I use a Benjamin Marauder, .25cal. It’s a tack-driving shooter, but even in .25 it has its limitations. I don’t think I’d ever take it hog hunting, although I’ve seen it done. I know it’s possible, but I just don’t think it’s practical.

  33. Nieuwlandt on June 19th, 2013 03:33

    Can some body tells me about how much Joule this Gun haves? Because her in my country, only guns beneath 7,5 joule are free. Higher we must have a gun license. Thanks

  34. Phillip on June 20th, 2013 07:29

    I don’t have that answer, and I don’t think you’ll find it on the Crosman consumer website. However, I think the guys over at the Airgun Forum (http://www.varminter.com/forums/forum/22-the-airgun-forum/) would be able to help you find that answer. Good luck!

  35. Thomas Karlmann on July 5th, 2013 03:43

    I grew up in the ’50’s — the first thing my father taught me about deer hunting was to NEVER use a white handkerchief to blow my nose when hunting whitetail deer in Wisconsin. Why? Because some ‘hunter(s)’ more enjoying their beer than honing their gun-handling & hunting skills, is likely to mistake the handkerchief for the a$$-end of the deer. My initial reply was: “Why would anyone shoot a deer in the rear-end?” I don’t recall the answer, but the rule stayed — I used red handkerchiefs.

    The point is, that with all the fine guns we have in 2013, there seems to little need to worry — unless someone decides that a 7.9-grain .177 pellet can stop a hog — or whatever; and that we cannot legislate to protect us from stupidity.

    I recently saw a video where some guy took the Crosman .357 out hunting and actually got a sheep! Yes, the sheep was unlucky enough to be in the rear of his flock. If air guns get any bigger, this guy could maybe move up to cows. Am I making my point?

    OTOH, do I need a .50-cal rifle to make sure I get a clean kill on mice? Perhaps not. Let’s all step back and try to regain what we can of our Good Common Sense.

    I am presently looking at all sorts of air rifles — and I keep hearing great things about the Marauder especially in .25 — except for the weight.

  36. Phillip on July 8th, 2013 15:59

    Thomas, I’m not completely sure I get your entire point, but I’ll go with it.

    Air rifles are, and have been, much larger than the .25 or the .357, and folks have been shooting extremely large game (e.g. American bison) with them for years (Louis and Clark carried air rifles which were occasionally used to supply game… when they weren’t being used to impress the natives). Within their limitations, like any weapons, they are capable tools. I just think we need to be careful about how we push those limitations, particularly when it’s being done in the name of promoting products or building TV ratings.

    As far as the Marauder .25, I do love mine. It is a bulky rifle, so it’s not necessarily something I’d want to carry long distances as a snap-shooting gun. But when you have time to set up and take a precise shot, it’s hard to beat. My opinion of the .25 as a “big game” round has wavered a bit, despite the television programs, but for small and medium game it’s a killer. My current goal is to take a turkey with it.

  37. turkish air rifle manufacturers on July 11th, 2013 07:56

    This is so amazing. Air rifle boar hunt. How much money do those weapons.

  38. Phillip on July 11th, 2013 16:14

    Around $1300 USD

  39. jimmy on August 27th, 2013 00:46

    Phillip (or whomever want to comment): I’ve read this thread from top to bottom and know most people (at least the one’s who posted here) do not advocate air rifle for shooting big game. Now, I can understand one using the Marauder & Benjamin Rogue .357 to hunt/kill small/medium game but what do you think of hunting big game with a Sam Yang Dragon Claw .50 Cal using a 245gr. custom hollow point (mrhollowpoint)?

    Would that combination rifle/ammo and a skilled hunter or not so skilled hunter be o.k. to hung big game?

  40. Phillip on August 27th, 2013 07:55

    Jimmy, I can really only speak for myself. My views on airguns for big game are based on my experience to date… both as a big game hunter, as a guide, and as someone with relatively limited experience shooting the big-bore air rifles. All of this, together, tells me that many recreational hunters may not be up to the challenges of hunting big game with a marginal gun like the Rogue .357 caliber. Successful, humane kills with that rifle require finesse… a combination of patience, restraint, and expert marksmanship.

    Going up to some of the high-powered .45, .50, and bigger air rifles doesn’t change those requirements. However, a gun that delivers more energy on target increases the acceptable margin of error, so it’s arguable that the hunter can get away with a little less skill. Apply the same line of reason to centerfire rifles. You can hunt hogs with a .22 centerfire, but you have to be able to place that shot with precision. You have to know the difference between a perfect shot opportunity and a bad one… and you have to be able to restrain yourself from taking that bad shot, even if it means letting the animal go (this is where many less-experienced/unskilled hunters fail). As you move up into the bigger guns, say a .30 caliber, the criteria for a “perfect” shot expand because the bigger gun has the capability to break bone or penetrate heavy muscle and gut.

    In my opinion, novice and unskilled hunters should always err on the side of caution when selecting a hunting weapon.

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